GDG- Lee - Harrisburg
John Lawrence
jlawrence at kc.rr.com
Fri Jan 27 21:40:44 CST 2012
No, I was talking about the group.
Forget who they are, but they have a group.
I forget the names. I joined the group as a favor because one of them would set up as a vendor at the muster. I think Margaret hails from that direction.
Maybe she knows who they are.
Regards.
Jack
CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
>Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>Nuttin in the Camp Curtin sites.
>
>There are interesting pics if you enter Ft Couch.
>
>Also found a good BBQ restaurant in Harrisburg.
>
>A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
>Peter
>
>
>In a message dated 1/27/2012 8:56:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>jlawrence at kc.rr.com writes:
>
>Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>You know, I have driven by multiple times but I have never gone down there.
>
>We have (or had) an esteemed member a couple of years ago who offered the
>tour; dunnoo if he is still with us.
>
>I'll betchee he can give a more coherent story than I can. some of that
>stuff comes from vaguly recalled memories of the Camp Curtain monthly
>magazine.
>
>You might try the camp curtin group, come to think of it.
>
>Regards,
>
>jack
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>From: <CWMHTours at aol.com>
>To: <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:04 PM
>Subject: Re: GDG- Lee - Harrisburg
>
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>> THNX Jack-
>>
>> Are the pits extant?
>>
>> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/27/2012 8:00:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> jlawrence at kc.rr.com writes:
>>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>> Ft. Couch was erected for the emergency.
>>
>> IIRC, it was part of Halleck,s plan to raise a national militia and man
>> this
>> and other defenses.
>> It was built by free blacks an manned by whatecer was at hand.
>> It was supposed to simply cover the approaches to anotherr fort on the
>> river-name escapes me.
>> Couch kept the main body across the river and I am no sure a crossing v
>>
>> I am doing this by memory, but the civilian population was just not
>> concerned enough to actually join this militia and defe n harrisburg.
>> Most
>> reinforcements came from a new york militia that was not all that
>> effective.
>>
>> Halleck was unwilling to release federal troops, even Pennsylvania
>units,
>> and pretty much left the defenses up to the Governor.
>>
>> He did authorize the raising of emergency colored units for the
>> emergency.
>> One unit was raised and were put to work defending the Wrightsville
>> bridge.
>> This is the only colored unit that was involved in the Campaign.
>>
>> The colored troops were put together with some white volunteers and put
>> to
>> worg digging gun pits.
>> The white guys apparently resented being relegated to do colored wpork,
>> and
>> just left.
>> The pits were abandoned after the bridge was burned.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jack
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <CWMHTours at aol.com>
>> To: <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: GDG- Lee - Harrisburg
>>
>>
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> Good post Andy-
>>>
>>> Was Ft Couch prepared just for the '63 invasion or had it been there
>>> before? How extensive was it? Was it upgraded with more cannon
>after
>>> the
>>> invasion? I've heard of it but know nothing about it. Were there
>>> covering
>>> batteries to guard it flanks?
>>>
>>> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/27/2012 12:48:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> amills at jplcreative.com writes:
>>>
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> I don't think Lee ever planned or envisioned reaching so far as
>> Baltimore
>>> or Philadelphia. I think he realized Harrisburg was about as far as
>>> he
>>> could go. He wasn't going to get there with the AOP in his rear and
>> even
>>> if
>>> he conducted a Cannae type battle, he is still forced to retreat back
>
>>> to
>>> Virginia for the inability to continue an advance (or even holding the
>>> ground
>>> gained).
>>>
>>> I think we see this as part of the reason for Pickett's Charge. He
>>> didn't
>>> have the capabilities to disengage and fight another battle as his
>army
>>> was almost out of war material to continue. A battle that occurs even
>>> further north exacerbates this need and regardless of its outcome, Lee
>> is
>>> still
>>> forced to fall back.
>>>
>>> However: a direct attack on Harrisburg also had to contend with
>Fort
>>> Couch (I think called Hummel's Heights at the time [correct me if
>> wrong],
>>> which
>>> is a great little site with some earthworks still visible if you ever
>> get
>>> a chance to visit). I am not sure how well manned it would be, but a
>>> crossing can't occur until this fort is taken, at least in my
>> estimation
>>> as it
>>> had a commanding view of any river crossing.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com
>>> [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of John Grim
>>> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 12:33 PM
>>> To: gettysburg at arthes.com
>>> Subject: GDG- Lee - Harrisburg
>>>
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> Esteemed Members
>>>
>>> Most of us know the usual facts of Lee's advance in June towards
>>> Harrisburg. I subscribe to the side that believes Lee went north to
>> take
>>> the war
>>> away from Virginia so crops could be harvested and replanted and that
>>> troops
>>> might be drawn away from Grant and that there might be political
>>> advantage
>>> to be gained. I cannot picture Lee being successful east of
>Harrisburg
>>> with the river at his back and having to contend with Philadelphia,
>>> Baltimore,
>>> Washington and its forts as well as the various units of the Union
>>> army
>>> gathering around him. Yes, militia units were not regulars but they
>>> can
>>> picket railroads, bridges, guard POW's and generally get in the way.
>>> Lee's
>>> communications and supply lines would be extended further and further
>> and
>>> he
>>> would be further away from the protection of the mountains and their
>>> passes.
>>> As it was it took him 10 days to get back to Virginia from Gettysburg.
>>> He may have been able to live off the land near Harrisburg but where
>>> would
>>> his munitions and
>>> replacements come from?? How long could he stay away from Richmond
>with
>>> only Corse and Jenkins covering that area? I just don't see it but I
>am
>>> willing to consider other opinions. Lee's operation was not a go for
>>> broke.
>>> He had limited goals
>>> and limited expectations. Getting his wounded back to Virginia would
>>> probably have been impossible from east of Harrisburg and he probably
>>> would not have gotten his Gettysburg wounded back.
>>>
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