GDG- ISusquehanna River
CWMHTours at aol.com
CWMHTours at aol.com
Thu Jan 26 09:03:15 CST 2012
It's called the Rockville bridge? Great. THNX.
I have sat pic'ed it. It is pretty cool.
Great website- way cool!
THNX!
You may find it interesting that the first publicly chartered RR, the B&O
running out of Balt to Point of Rocks is pretty much not used much. First
tracks in the country and they don't like to use them. Apparently the
tracks are so windy in the Patapsco Valley that they can't go fast at all
because of derailments.. It is parkland so the B&O is limited in what they could
do to make the tracks faster. There's a few tunnels, etc. but not much
more they could do.
All priority freight from out west going to Balt at Point of Rocks is sent
into DC and then back up N from DC to Balt. Weird. I have sat pic'ed
the whole line from Balt to P.o.R.
About the only traffic I've seen on the tracks would be only locos
restaging out to the west.
These would be the Civil War tracks that Lincoln used on his return from
Antietam.
A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
Peter
In a message dated 1/26/2012 9:37:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
waltermolly at gmail.com writes:
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Peter,
Heres some information on the Rockville Bridge. Do try to get a look at
it. Especially good views from route 322 overlooking it. Just be careful
there: traffic is heavy:
http://davecathell.tripod.com/rock.html
Walter
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <CWMHTours at aol.com> wrote:
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Thanks Jeff-
>
> You know everything!
>
> That big 4-track stone arch bridge N of Hrsbg- when was that built?
I'd
> like to go see it. Must be pretty amazing.
>
> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> Peter
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2012 11:27:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jlb4tlb at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Greetings
>
> During the war there were 4 bridges that had to be considered by Lee
that
> crossed the Sus.
>
> The Southern most was The Conowingo Bridge at Port Deposit Md. This
was a
> covered bridge.
>
> The next bridge going north would be at Wrightsville Pa. This bridge
> would be burned during the evening of June 28, 1863.
>
> Harrisburg would be the furtherst point we need to look at. I believe
the
> city had 2 crossing one railroad and one general.
>
> The camal back bridge was the general purpose bridge. The present day
> Walnut Street Bridge spans the river today at its old location.
>
> The Marysvillie RR bridge, this was also a covered bridge.
>
> Namaste
>
> Jeff Burk
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: "CWMHTours at aol.com" <CWMHTours at aol.com>
> >To: gettysburg at arthes.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: GDG- ISusquehanna River
> >
> >Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >Entirely agree George, you make good points.
> >
> >Yes, there was military and political value to capturing Harrisburg.
> >
> >And despite Couch and the militia I think Lee cudda walked right in.
> And
> >there'd be plenty of value to start shipping back south. Ar Camp
> Curtain
> >there probly was gunpowder for the guns, etc. if the Yanks didn't
> destroy it.
> >
> >Lee being Lee, tho, I am sure he never lost sight that his goal was to
> >destroy the AoP.
> >
> >And for once, when you are digging your hole out you didn't throw
your
> >dirt into my hole.
> >
> >Good. There may be hope yet.
> >
> >;-{) !!!!!
> >
> >Jeff Burke- what bridges were there over the Susq R during the war
> (This
> >guy knows everything up there)? Was that stone 4-track bridge there
> then?
> >
> >
> >A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >georgeconnell at mac.com writes:
> >
> >Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >Peter,
> >
> >Capturing the useful military items in and around Harrisburg and
> >destroying its capability to support the war would be great military
> goals, but
> >think of the main reason for going there as political, not military.
> Imagine
> >the domestic and international reaction when it became known Lee had
> just
> >captured the capital of Pennsylvania! Lee was very attuned to
political
>
> >events.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >George
> >26ª11'56"N 81ª48'19W"
> >
> >On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:14 PM, CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >> George-
> >>
> >> Ha ha....
> >>
> >> My friend...
> >>
> >> Sometimes I think we both dig holes and we wind up throwing each
> >other's
> >> shovels full of dirt into each other's hole.
> >>
> >> I don't dispute that Lee wanted to get into Harrisburg- I think it
> was
> >> bait to get the AoP under that maniac Hooker to come out and
fight.
>
> >But
> >> Harrisburg as a military goal?
> >>
> >> Can you see Lee sitting around west of Fredericksburg with his
mouth
> >> watering at the thought of capturing Harrisburg? I can't.
> >>
> >> Lee's job was to destroy the AoP if possible- not risk sucking his
> army
> >up
> >> into occupying a weeny little state capital.
> >>
> >> Hey! You just threw that shovelfull into my hair, dammit!
> >>
> >> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/25/2012 6:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> georgeconnell at mac.com writes:
> >>
> >> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> "I can't see him putting the bulk of his army on the wrong side
of
> the
> >> river.
> >>
> >> I think all the talk about Harrisburg was just that, talk put
out t
> >> distract people."
> >>
> >> This is ridiculous. He told two of his corps commanders he wanted
> them
> >on
> >> the east side of the river. That, without question, is the bulk of
> his
> >> army. And he told them with some degree of secrecy attached, not in
> the
> >> "Philadelphia Enquirer" for heaven sakes!
> >>
> >> You're digging again!
> >>
> >> George
> >> 26ª11'56"N 81ª48'19W"
> >>
> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 5:47 PM, CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >>> Jim-
> >>>
> >>> You make good points.
> >>>
> >>> I have problems tho with the idea of Lee moving his whole army
into
> >>> Harrisburg and sitting there.
> >>>
> >>> Granted there was some military value to the state capital but
> Lee's
> >> ace
> >>> was manueverabilty which he would lose if he occupies a town and
> then
> >
> >> has to
> >>> defend it. I can see him sending in a detachment to destroy any
> >> military
> >>> goods but Harrisburg was pretty much a pipsqueak town back then.
> >>>
> >>> Plus I can't see him putting the bulk of his army on the wrong
side
> >of
> >> the
> >>> river.
> >>>
> >>> I think all the talk about Harrisburg was just that, talk put
out
> t
> >>> distract people.
> >>>
> >>> I can't see him taking Baltimore either. What are you going to
do
> >with
> >> it
> >>> once you got it?
> >>>
> >>> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:37:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> cameron2 at optimum.net writes:
> >>>
> >>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >>> << If Lee intended to move Ewell's Corps and Hill's Corps
across
> >the
> >>> river (as he stated) it's a pretty safe bet he wasn't going to
leave
>
> >>> Longstreet's on the other side of a water barrier. I think it's
not
> >> unreasonable to
> >>> speculate that Lee, the most audacious commander of the war,
might
> >have
> >>> been willing to fight the AoP east of the Susquehanna. There are
> some
> >
> >> caveats,
> >>> however. He would need all his cavalry with him; detailed
> information
> >> on
> >>> the locations of the various Union corps; and the confidence that
> the
> >> AoP
> >>> corps were exhausted, strung out by a rushed pursuit, and not in
> >> position to
> >>> provide meaningful support to one another. >>
> >>>
> >>> Which is quite a few caveats, and a lot of stuff he didn't have,
> and
> >>> wasn't likely to get. And if he does cross the Susquehanna,
> getting
> >> back over
> >>> now involves the far shore still being hostile territory, not VA.
>
> >>> Still, I do think he intended to cross a major force, if
possible.
> I
> >>> wonder, though, if his preference wouldn't have been to continue
to
> >> maneuver,
> >>> and maybe fight against any isolated Union force he might
> encounter,
> >> rather
> >>> than risk a general engagement under such circumstances.
Although
> I
> >> can't
> >>> say I've ever devoted much thought to the matter, since it never
> did
> >>> happen.
> >>> Just as a thought, while it wouldn't have been something he could
> >have
> >>> anticipated at the time, the post-battle rains which made
crossing
> >back
> >> into
> >>> VA so difficult could have created an extremely critical
situation
> >for
> >> Lee
> >>> if he need to recross the Susquehanna in a hurry after a reverse
on
> >the
> >>> eastern side of the river and had no bridges available.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Cameron
> >>>
> >>
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