GDG- ISusquehanna River

Walter Wells waltermolly at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 08:37:08 CST 2012


Peter,

  Heres some information on the Rockville Bridge. Do try to get a look at
it. Especially good views from route 322 overlooking it. Just be careful
there: traffic is heavy:

http://davecathell.tripod.com/rock.html

Walter

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <CWMHTours at aol.com> wrote:

> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Thanks Jeff-
>
> You know everything!
>
> That big 4-track stone arch bridge N of Hrsbg-  when was  that built?   I'd
> like to go see it.   Must be pretty  amazing.
>
> A  Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> Peter
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2012 11:27:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jlb4tlb at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
> Greetings
>
> During the war there were 4  bridges that had to be considered by Lee that
> crossed the  Sus.
>
> The Southern most was The Conowingo Bridge at Port Deposit  Md.  This was a
> covered bridge.
>
> The next bridge going north  would be at Wrightsville Pa.  This bridge
> would be burned during the  evening of June 28, 1863.
>
> Harrisburg would be the furtherst point  we need to look at.  I believe the
> city had 2 crossing one railroad and  one general.
>
> The camal back bridge was the general purpose  bridge.  The present day
> Walnut Street Bridge spans the river today at  its old location.
>
> The Marysvillie RR bridge, this was also a  covered bridge.
>
> Namaste
>
> Jeff  Burk
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From:  "CWMHTours at aol.com" <CWMHTours at aol.com>
> >To: gettysburg at arthes.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: GDG-  ISusquehanna River
> >
> >Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
> >Entirely agree George,  you make good   points.
> >
> >Yes, there was military and political value to  capturing  Harrisburg.
> >
> >And despite Couch and the militia I  think Lee cudda walked  right in.
> And
> >there'd be plenty of  value to start shipping back  south.  Ar Camp
> Curtain
> >there  probly was gunpowder for the guns, etc. if  the Yanks didn't
> destroy  it.
> >
> >Lee being Lee, tho, I am sure he never lost sight that  his  goal was to
> >destroy the AoP.
> >
> >And for once,  when you are digging your hole out you didn't  throw your
> >dirt  into my hole.
> >
> >Good.  There may be hope  yet.
> >
> >;-{)   !!!!!
> >
> >Jeff Burke-   what bridges were there over the Susq R  during the war
> (This
> >guy  knows everything up there)?   Was that stone  4-track bridge  there
> then?
> >
> >
> >A  Loyal Neo-Anti  Unionist,
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >In a message dated  1/25/2012 9:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >georgeconnell at mac.com writes:
> >
> >Esteemed  GDG Member  Contributes:
> >Peter,
> >
> >Capturing the useful military  items  in and around Harrisburg and
> >destroying its capability to  support the war  would be great military
> goals, but
> >think of the  main reason for going there as  political, not military.
> Imagine
> >the domestic and international reaction when  it became known Lee  had
> just
> >captured the capital of Pennsylvania! Lee was  very  attuned to political
>
> >events.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >George
> >26ª11'56"N   81ª48'19W"
> >
> >On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:14 PM,  CWMHTours at aol.com  wrote:
> >
> >> Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
> >> George-
> >>
> >> Ha  ha....
> >>
> >> My friend...
> >>
> >>  Sometimes I  think we both dig holes and we wind up throwing  each
> >other's
> >>  shovels full of dirt into each other's  hole.
> >>
> >> I don't dispute  that Lee wanted to get  into Harrisburg-   I think it
> was
> >>  bait to get the  AoP under that maniac Hooker to come out and   fight.
>
> >But
> >> Harrisburg as a military goal?
> >>
> >> Can you see Lee sitting around west of Fredericksburg with  his   mouth
> >> watering at the thought of capturing  Harrisburg?  I   can't.
> >>
> >> Lee's job was  to destroy the AoP if possible- not risk  sucking  his
> army
> >up
> >> into occupying a weeny little state   capital.
> >>
> >> Hey!  You just threw that shovelfull  into my  hair,  dammit!
> >>
> >> A  Loyal  Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >>  Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/25/2012 6:03:42  P.M. Eastern Standard  Time,
> >> georgeconnell at mac.com  writes:
> >>
> >> Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
> >>   Peter,
> >>
> >> "I can't see him putting the bulk of  his  army on  the wrong  side of
> the
> >> river.
> >>
> >> I think all the  talk  about Harrisburg was just that,  talk put  out t
> >>  distract  people."
> >>
> >> This is ridiculous. He told two of  his corps commanders  he  wanted
> them
> >on
> >> the east side of the  river.  That, without question, is the bulk  of
> his
> >> army. And  he  told them with some degree of secrecy attached, not in
> the
> >>  "Philadelphia Enquirer" for heaven sakes!
> >>
> >> You're  digging  again!
> >>
> >>  George
> >> 26ª11'56"N    81ª48'19W"
> >>
> >>  On Jan 25,  2012, at 5:47 PM,  CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Esteemed GDG Member   Contributes:
> >>>  Jim-
> >>>
> >>> You make good   points.
> >>>
> >>> I have problems tho with the idea of  Lee  moving his whole army   into
> >>> Harrisburg  and sitting  there.
> >>>
> >>> Granted there  was  some military value to  the state capital but
> Lee's
> >> ace
> >>> was   manueverabilty which he  would lose if he occupies a town and
> then
> >
> >> has  to
> >>> defend it.  I can see him sending in a   detachment to destroy  any
> >> military
> >>>  goods but  Harrisburg was pretty much a pipsqueak  town back   then.
> >>>
> >>> Plus I can't see him putting the  bulk  of his army on the  wrong  side
> >of
> >>  the
> >>> river.
> >>>
> >>>  I   think all the talk about Harrisburg was just that, talk put  out
> t
> >>> distract people.
> >>>
> >>> I  can't see him  taking Baltimore  either.  What are you   going to do
> >with
> >> it
> >>> once you  got  it?
> >>>
> >>>  A  Loyal Neo-Anti  Unionist,
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:37:30 A.M.  Eastern   Standard Time,
> >>> cameron2 at optimum.net   writes:
> >>>
> >>> Esteemed  GDG Member   Contributes:
> >>> <<   If Lee  intended  to  move  Ewell's Corps and Hill's Corps across
> >the
> >>> river (as he  stated) it's a pretty  safe bet he  wasn't going to leave
>
> >>> Longstreet's on the other side of  a water  barrier. I think  it's  not
> >> unreasonable  to
> >>> speculate that Lee, the  most  audacious   commander of the war, might
> >have
> >>> been  willing  to fight the AoP  east  of the Susquehanna. There are
> some
> >
> >> caveats,
> >>> however. He  would need  all his   cavalry with him; detailed
> information
> >> on
> >>> the locations  of the various Union  corps; and the  confidence that
> the
> >>  AoP
> >>> corps were  exhausted, strung out by a  rushed pursuit,  and  not in
> >> position to
> >>> provide meaningful support  to  one   another.  >>
> >>>
> >>> Which  is  quite a few caveats, and a  lot of  stuff he didn't have,
> and
> >>> wasn't likely to get.   And if he does  cross the   Susquehanna,
> getting
> >> back over
> >>> now  involves the  far shore still being  hostile  territory, not VA.
>
> >>> Still, I do  think he intended to cross a major  force,  if  possible.
>  I
> >>> wonder, though, if his preference  wouldn't   have  been to continue to
> >> maneuver,
> >>>   and maybe fight against any  isolated Union force  he might
> encounter,
> >> rather
> >>> than risk a  general  engagement  under such  circumstances.  Although
> I
> >>  can't
> >>> say I've ever devoted much thought to  the  matter, since  it  never
> did
> >>> happen.
> >>> Just as a thought,  while it   wouldn't have  been something he could
> >have
> >>>  anticipated at the  time,  the  post-battle rains which made crossing
> >back
> >> into
> >>> VA so  difficult could have   created  an extremely critical situation
> >for
> >>  Lee
> >>> if he need  to recross the  Susquehanna  in a hurry after a  reverse on
> >the
> >>> eastern  side of the river and  had no bridges   available.
> >>>
> >>> Jim  Cameron
> >>>
> >>
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