GDG- ISusquehanna River
Walter Wells
waltermolly at gmail.com
Thu Jan 26 08:37:08 CST 2012
Peter,
Heres some information on the Rockville Bridge. Do try to get a look at
it. Especially good views from route 322 overlooking it. Just be careful
there: traffic is heavy:
http://davecathell.tripod.com/rock.html
Walter
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 9:26 AM, <CWMHTours at aol.com> wrote:
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Thanks Jeff-
>
> You know everything!
>
> That big 4-track stone arch bridge N of Hrsbg- when was that built? I'd
> like to go see it. Must be pretty amazing.
>
> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> Peter
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/2012 11:27:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jlb4tlb at yahoo.com writes:
>
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Greetings
>
> During the war there were 4 bridges that had to be considered by Lee that
> crossed the Sus.
>
> The Southern most was The Conowingo Bridge at Port Deposit Md. This was a
> covered bridge.
>
> The next bridge going north would be at Wrightsville Pa. This bridge
> would be burned during the evening of June 28, 1863.
>
> Harrisburg would be the furtherst point we need to look at. I believe the
> city had 2 crossing one railroad and one general.
>
> The camal back bridge was the general purpose bridge. The present day
> Walnut Street Bridge spans the river today at its old location.
>
> The Marysvillie RR bridge, this was also a covered bridge.
>
> Namaste
>
> Jeff Burk
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: "CWMHTours at aol.com" <CWMHTours at aol.com>
> >To: gettysburg at arthes.com
> >Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:23 PM
> >Subject: Re: GDG- ISusquehanna River
> >
> >Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >Entirely agree George, you make good points.
> >
> >Yes, there was military and political value to capturing Harrisburg.
> >
> >And despite Couch and the militia I think Lee cudda walked right in.
> And
> >there'd be plenty of value to start shipping back south. Ar Camp
> Curtain
> >there probly was gunpowder for the guns, etc. if the Yanks didn't
> destroy it.
> >
> >Lee being Lee, tho, I am sure he never lost sight that his goal was to
> >destroy the AoP.
> >
> >And for once, when you are digging your hole out you didn't throw your
> >dirt into my hole.
> >
> >Good. There may be hope yet.
> >
> >;-{) !!!!!
> >
> >Jeff Burke- what bridges were there over the Susq R during the war
> (This
> >guy knows everything up there)? Was that stone 4-track bridge there
> then?
> >
> >
> >A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >georgeconnell at mac.com writes:
> >
> >Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >Peter,
> >
> >Capturing the useful military items in and around Harrisburg and
> >destroying its capability to support the war would be great military
> goals, but
> >think of the main reason for going there as political, not military.
> Imagine
> >the domestic and international reaction when it became known Lee had
> just
> >captured the capital of Pennsylvania! Lee was very attuned to political
>
> >events.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >George
> >26ª11'56"N 81ª48'19W"
> >
> >On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:14 PM, CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >> George-
> >>
> >> Ha ha....
> >>
> >> My friend...
> >>
> >> Sometimes I think we both dig holes and we wind up throwing each
> >other's
> >> shovels full of dirt into each other's hole.
> >>
> >> I don't dispute that Lee wanted to get into Harrisburg- I think it
> was
> >> bait to get the AoP under that maniac Hooker to come out and fight.
>
> >But
> >> Harrisburg as a military goal?
> >>
> >> Can you see Lee sitting around west of Fredericksburg with his mouth
> >> watering at the thought of capturing Harrisburg? I can't.
> >>
> >> Lee's job was to destroy the AoP if possible- not risk sucking his
> army
> >up
> >> into occupying a weeny little state capital.
> >>
> >> Hey! You just threw that shovelfull into my hair, dammit!
> >>
> >> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 1/25/2012 6:03:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >> georgeconnell at mac.com writes:
> >>
> >> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >> Peter,
> >>
> >> "I can't see him putting the bulk of his army on the wrong side of
> the
> >> river.
> >>
> >> I think all the talk about Harrisburg was just that, talk put out t
> >> distract people."
> >>
> >> This is ridiculous. He told two of his corps commanders he wanted
> them
> >on
> >> the east side of the river. That, without question, is the bulk of
> his
> >> army. And he told them with some degree of secrecy attached, not in
> the
> >> "Philadelphia Enquirer" for heaven sakes!
> >>
> >> You're digging again!
> >>
> >> George
> >> 26ª11'56"N 81ª48'19W"
> >>
> >> On Jan 25, 2012, at 5:47 PM, CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >>> Jim-
> >>>
> >>> You make good points.
> >>>
> >>> I have problems tho with the idea of Lee moving his whole army into
> >>> Harrisburg and sitting there.
> >>>
> >>> Granted there was some military value to the state capital but
> Lee's
> >> ace
> >>> was manueverabilty which he would lose if he occupies a town and
> then
> >
> >> has to
> >>> defend it. I can see him sending in a detachment to destroy any
> >> military
> >>> goods but Harrisburg was pretty much a pipsqueak town back then.
> >>>
> >>> Plus I can't see him putting the bulk of his army on the wrong side
> >of
> >> the
> >>> river.
> >>>
> >>> I think all the talk about Harrisburg was just that, talk put out
> t
> >>> distract people.
> >>>
> >>> I can't see him taking Baltimore either. What are you going to do
> >with
> >> it
> >>> once you got it?
> >>>
> >>> A Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
> >>> Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:37:30 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> >>> cameron2 at optimum.net writes:
> >>>
> >>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> >>> << If Lee intended to move Ewell's Corps and Hill's Corps across
> >the
> >>> river (as he stated) it's a pretty safe bet he wasn't going to leave
>
> >>> Longstreet's on the other side of a water barrier. I think it's not
> >> unreasonable to
> >>> speculate that Lee, the most audacious commander of the war, might
> >have
> >>> been willing to fight the AoP east of the Susquehanna. There are
> some
> >
> >> caveats,
> >>> however. He would need all his cavalry with him; detailed
> information
> >> on
> >>> the locations of the various Union corps; and the confidence that
> the
> >> AoP
> >>> corps were exhausted, strung out by a rushed pursuit, and not in
> >> position to
> >>> provide meaningful support to one another. >>
> >>>
> >>> Which is quite a few caveats, and a lot of stuff he didn't have,
> and
> >>> wasn't likely to get. And if he does cross the Susquehanna,
> getting
> >> back over
> >>> now involves the far shore still being hostile territory, not VA.
>
> >>> Still, I do think he intended to cross a major force, if possible.
> I
> >>> wonder, though, if his preference wouldn't have been to continue to
> >> maneuver,
> >>> and maybe fight against any isolated Union force he might
> encounter,
> >> rather
> >>> than risk a general engagement under such circumstances. Although
> I
> >> can't
> >>> say I've ever devoted much thought to the matter, since it never
> did
> >>> happen.
> >>> Just as a thought, while it wouldn't have been something he could
> >have
> >>> anticipated at the time, the post-battle rains which made crossing
> >back
> >> into
> >>> VA so difficult could have created an extremely critical situation
> >for
> >> Lee
> >>> if he need to recross the Susquehanna in a hurry after a reverse on
> >the
> >>> eastern side of the river and had no bridges available.
> >>>
> >>> Jim Cameron
> >>>
> >>
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