GDG- ISusquehanna River

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Thu Jan 26 08:26:48 CST 2012


Thanks Jeff-
 
You know everything!
 
That big 4-track stone arch bridge N of Hrsbg-  when was  that built?   I'd 
like to go see it.   Must be pretty  amazing.
 
A  Loyal Neo-Anti Unionist,
Peter  

 
In a message dated 1/25/2012 11:27:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jlb4tlb at yahoo.com writes:

Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
Greetings

During the war there were 4  bridges that had to be considered by Lee that 
crossed the  Sus.

The Southern most was The Conowingo Bridge at Port Deposit  Md.  This was a 
covered bridge.

The next bridge going north  would be at Wrightsville Pa.  This bridge 
would be burned during the  evening of June 28, 1863.

Harrisburg would be the furtherst point  we need to look at.  I believe the 
city had 2 crossing one railroad and  one general.

The camal back bridge was the general purpose  bridge.  The present day 
Walnut Street Bridge spans the river today at  its old location.

The Marysvillie RR bridge, this was also a  covered bridge.

Namaste

Jeff  Burk


>________________________________
> From:  "CWMHTours at aol.com" <CWMHTours at aol.com>
>To: gettysburg at arthes.com  
>Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 9:23 PM
>Subject: Re: GDG-  ISusquehanna River
>  
>Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
>Entirely agree George,  you make good   points.
>
>Yes, there was military and political value to  capturing  Harrisburg.
>
>And despite Couch and the militia I  think Lee cudda walked  right in.  
And 
>there'd be plenty of  value to start shipping back  south.  Ar Camp 
Curtain 
>there  probly was gunpowder for the guns, etc. if  the Yanks didn't 
destroy  it.
>
>Lee being Lee, tho, I am sure he never lost sight that  his  goal was to 
>destroy the AoP.
>
>And for once,  when you are digging your hole out you didn't  throw your 
>dirt  into my hole.
>
>Good.  There may be hope  yet.
>
>;-{)   !!!!!
>
>Jeff Burke-   what bridges were there over the Susq R  during the war 
(This 
>guy  knows everything up there)?   Was that stone  4-track bridge  there 
then? 
>
>
>A  Loyal Neo-Anti  Unionist,
>Peter  
>
>
>In a message dated  1/25/2012 9:14:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,   
>georgeconnell at mac.com writes:
>
>Esteemed  GDG Member  Contributes:
>Peter,
>
>Capturing the useful military  items  in and around Harrisburg and 
>destroying its capability to  support the war  would be great military 
goals, but 
>think of the  main reason for going there as  political, not military. 
Imagine  
>the domestic and international reaction when  it became known Lee  had 
just 
>captured the capital of Pennsylvania! Lee was  very  attuned to political  
 
>events.
>
>Regards,
>
>George
>26ª11'56"N   81ª48'19W"
>
>On Jan 25, 2012, at 8:14 PM,  CWMHTours at aol.com  wrote:
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
>> George-
>>  
>> Ha  ha....
>> 
>> My friend...
>> 
>>  Sometimes I  think we both dig holes and we wind up throwing  each  
>other's 
>>  shovels full of dirt into each other's  hole.
>> 
>> I don't dispute  that Lee wanted to get  into Harrisburg-   I think it 
was 
>>  bait to get the  AoP under that maniac Hooker to come out and   fight.  
 
>But 
>> Harrisburg as a military goal?
>>   
>> Can you see Lee sitting around west of Fredericksburg with  his   mouth 
>> watering at the thought of capturing  Harrisburg?  I   can't.
>> 
>> Lee's job was  to destroy the AoP if possible- not risk  sucking  his 
army  
>up 
>> into occupying a weeny little state   capital.
>> 
>> Hey!  You just threw that shovelfull  into my  hair,  dammit! 
>> 
>> A  Loyal  Neo-Anti Unionist,
>>  Peter  
>> 
>>  
>> In a message dated 1/25/2012 6:03:42  P.M. Eastern Standard  Time,  
>> georgeconnell at mac.com  writes:
>>  
>> Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
>>   Peter,
>> 
>> "I can't see him putting the bulk of  his  army on  the wrong  side of 
the 
>> river.
>>  
>> I think all the  talk  about Harrisburg was just that,  talk put  out t 
>>  distract  people."
>>  
>> This is ridiculous. He told two of  his corps commanders  he  wanted 
them 
>on 
>> the east side of the  river.  That, without question, is the bulk  of 
his 
>> army. And  he  told them with some degree of secrecy attached, not in 
the   
>>  "Philadelphia Enquirer" for heaven sakes!
>>  
>> You're  digging  again!
>> 
>>  George
>> 26ª11'56"N    81ª48'19W"
>> 
>>  On Jan 25,  2012, at 5:47 PM,  CWMHTours at aol.com wrote:
>>  
>>> Esteemed GDG Member   Contributes:
>>>  Jim-
>>> 
>>> You make good   points.
>>> 
>>> I have problems tho with the idea of  Lee  moving his whole army   into 
>>> Harrisburg  and sitting  there.
>>> 
>>> Granted there  was  some military value to  the state capital but  
Lee's  
>> ace 
>>> was   manueverabilty which he  would lose if he occupies a town and 
then  
>
>> has  to  
>>> defend it.  I can see him sending in a   detachment to destroy  any  
>> military 
>>>  goods but  Harrisburg was pretty much a pipsqueak  town back   then.
>>>  
>>> Plus I can't see him putting the  bulk  of his army on the  wrong  side 
>of 
>>  the 
>>> river.
>>> 
>>>  I   think all the talk about Harrisburg was just that, talk put  out   
t  
>>> distract people.
>>> 
>>> I  can't see him  taking Baltimore  either.  What are you   going to do 
>with  
>> it 
>>> once you  got  it?
>>> 
>>>  A  Loyal Neo-Anti  Unionist,
>>> Peter  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> In a message dated 1/25/2012 9:37:30 A.M.  Eastern   Standard Time,  
>>> cameron2 at optimum.net   writes:
>>> 
>>> Esteemed  GDG Member   Contributes:
>>> <<   If Lee  intended  to  move  Ewell's Corps and Hill's Corps across 
>the  
>>> river (as he  stated) it's a pretty  safe bet he  wasn't going to leave 
 
>>> Longstreet's on the other side of  a water  barrier. I think  it's  not 
>> unreasonable  to 
>>> speculate that Lee, the  most  audacious   commander of the war, might 
>have 
>>> been  willing  to fight the AoP  east  of the Susquehanna. There are 
some  
>
>> caveats, 
>>> however. He  would need  all his   cavalry with him; detailed 
information 
>> on  
>>> the locations  of the various Union  corps; and the  confidence that 
the  
>>  AoP 
>>> corps were  exhausted, strung out by a  rushed pursuit,  and  not in  
>> position to 
>>> provide meaningful support  to  one   another.  >>
>>> 
>>> Which  is  quite a few caveats, and a  lot of  stuff he didn't have,  
and  
>>> wasn't likely to get.   And if he does  cross the   Susquehanna, 
getting 
>> back over  
>>> now  involves the  far shore still being  hostile  territory, not VA.   
 
>>> Still, I do  think he intended to cross a major  force,  if  possible.  
 I 
>>> wonder, though, if his preference  wouldn't   have  been to continue to 
>> maneuver, 
>>>   and maybe fight against any  isolated Union force  he might   
encounter, 
>> rather 
>>> than risk a  general  engagement  under such  circumstances.  Although 
I 
>>  can't  
>>> say I've ever devoted much thought to  the  matter, since  it  never 
did 
>>> happen.   
>>> Just as a thought,  while it   wouldn't have  been something he could 
>have 
>>>  anticipated at the  time,  the  post-battle rains which made crossing  
>back  
>> into 
>>> VA so  difficult could have   created  an extremely critical situation 
>for 
>>  Lee  
>>> if he need  to recross the  Susquehanna  in a hurry after a  reverse on 
>the  
>>> eastern  side of the river and  had no bridges   available.   
>>> 
>>> Jim  Cameron
>>>   
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