GDG- Susquehanna River

Jack Lawrence jlawrence at
Tue Jan 24 21:42:02 CST 2012

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George Connell" <georgeconnell at>
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at>
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- Susquehanna River

> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Jack,
> First of all, your Faulkner comment is patronizing.
George, here is what Faulkner said.
Was Faulkner being patronizing? I was serious as a heart attack when I said 
that. I have had six of those lest you think I am being patronizing about 
heart attacks.
And I tempered it when I said I feli about Lincoln the same way.
You overreact.

 For every Southern boy fourteen years old, not once but whenever he wants 
it, there is the instant when it's still not yet two o'clock on that July 
afternoon in 1863, the brigades are in position behind the rail fence, the 
guns are laid and ready in the woods and the furled flags are already 
loosened to break out and Pickett himself with his long oiled ringlets and 
his hat in one hand probably and his sword in the other looking up the hill 
waiting for Longstreet to give the word and it's all in the balance, it 
hasn't happened yet, it hasn't even begun yet, it not only hasn't begun yet 
but there is still time for it not to begin against that position and those 
circumstances which made more men than Garnett and Kemper and Armistead and 
Wilcox look grave yet it's going to begin, we all know that, we have come 
too far with too much at stake and that moment doesn't need even a 
fourteen-year-old boy to think This time. Maybe this time with all this much 
to lose than all this much to gain: Pennsylvania, Maryland, the world, the 
golden dome of Washington itself to crown with desperate and unbelievable 
victory the desperate gamble, the cast made two years ago.

- William Faulkner, Intruder in the Dust

> Second, you offer assertions as truths, without a shred of evidence in 
> support.

I am not sure what this is all about.
> Third, you dismiss with exactly one short, unsubstantiated sentence a long 
> discussion that includes nearly a dozen documented references.

I think this is the same thing.

>On the other hand, we know that Lee had given "be prepared" instructions to 
>cross the Susquehanna to two of his three corps. We don't know what he was 
>planning for Longstreet's Corps, but a minimum of two-thirds of his army 
>over the river is more than a raid.

Suicide is what that would have been. Never going to hapen anyway. Lee was 
never going to win that battle. Hell, he was trapped.
Before you go any further, how was he going to defeat anybody in detail.

Meade already knew where to fall back to, and if wver tour the Pipe Creek 
line, you will see the insanity of sending 2/3 of your army north of a 
natural barrier.

 > I speculate here, but if Lee had been able to defeat the AoP corps in 
detail as they came up in ones or two and to achieve that victory he always 
sought, why wouldn't he want to be east of the Susquehanna? That's where he 
would need to be to exploit the victory by threatening Philadelphia and 
Baltimore.  What's west of it? Breezewood?

Not Breezewood. there is only a toll gate and the worlds biggest Bob Evans 

George, I gotta tell you, you can say unsubstantiated all you want, but you 
have to be able to show a plausible path forward to get where you are.But 
Ok, this is a discussion group. But you are not one I would patronize.
The only patronizing around here is between the brothers.
BTW: Bob is recovering well. I am ahead 6 to 1.
THAT is patronizing.


What direction does the Susquehanna run anyway?

" <gettysburg at
>> Hello.
>> You are correct, we have discussed this before. But no issues are settled 
>> on the GDG.
>> There is a certain innate Faulkner in many Lee admirers that grandiosize 
>> Lee to an unsubstainable level.
>> Thus, the Lee as doomslayer. (I feel the same way about Lincoln the Great 
>> Emancipator, even though that is an unrealistic perception and I know 
>> it.)
>> There was never any intent, nor was there ever any means, to occupy 
>> Harrisburg. But, as you point out, it was a good idea (and it worked).
>> Regards,
>> Jack
>> BTW: Haupt thought that Lee's goal WAS to wreck the rail lines.
>> I have cut the thread as the length was getting onerous.
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