GDG- Someone remind me

CWMHTours at CWMHTours at
Mon Jan 23 09:55:43 CST 2012

Now just how do you get lost on Berdan Ave?
;-{)    !!!!!
"Just  the facts, ma'am." 

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In a message dated 1/23/2012 10:52:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bluzdad at writes:

Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
It does help Jim, and I'll tell you  why.

Yesterday, while waiting for the demon spawned Pats to go  down to 
ignominious defeat, I idly wandered through wikipedia, searching for  the GDG. 
strangly enough, there is no entry on the GDG, but there are plenty  of 
references to it. One entry was "Seminary Ridge" which moved on to Mcmillan  woods, 
which segued into Pitzers woods and the many camps located there after  the 
war. I didn't know that this was the location of the CCC, Military and POW  
camps, and I wondered what, if any, historic sites had been  destroyed.
the answer, it would seem, is none. In the process though, I  found out 
that a lot of camping has been done on the  battlefield.
Interesting stuff.
I think I got lost on Berdan Ave.  once.  I had to call Tom Henrique to 
come and find  me.

"Hello! I'm The Doctor." (Dr.  Who)

From:  "cooke1863 at" <cooke1863 at>
To: GDG  <gettysburg at> 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 9:43  AM
Subject: Re: GDG- Someone remind me

Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:


I don't think any day 1 fighting  took place that far  south on the field. 

As the AOP  retreated from Seminary Ridge on July 1 some cavalry units from 
Gamble's  brigade covered the southern area of the Seminary fighting (near 
Red Patch)  until the advancing ANV drove them away.The cavalry retreated 
south and east  to the area of the Peach Orchard, from which they sent out 
pickets to scout  the area west of them. Later that day some units from the III 
Corp (Humphrey's  division) marched to the field from the west up the 
present day  Wheatfield/Millerstown Road. I would hazard a guess that other than 
pickets  the woods were not occupied on July 1. 

On the 2nd, as the ANV  gathered strength along Seminary Ridge, they began 
to fill in the area close  to the woods. Also on the 2nd, as Sickles became 
concerned about what lay in  front of him, he sent several companies of the 
US Sharpshooters, accompanied  by men from the 3rd Maine, across the fields 
on a reconnaissance in order to  find the left flank of the ANV. These men 
found and fired on troops of the  10th AL of Wilcox's brigade in a brief 
engagement that confirmed Sickles's  fears that the Confederates were lining up 
across from him on the ridge. The  AOP troops retreated from the area. which 
was occupied by Wilcox's men and,  later in the day, by Barksdale's 
Mississippians and Wofford's Georgians. All  of these ANV troops would participate 
in the July 2 advance on the AOP line in  the 6-6:30 timeframe. 

Present day Berdan Avenue has some monuments to  the men from the AOP who 
advanced to this area and discovered the expanding  ANV line. 

Hope this helps. 


----- Original Message  -----

From: "keith mackenzie"  <bluzdad at> 
To: "GDG" <gettysburg at>  
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 6:14:07 PM 
Subject: GDG- Someone remind  me 

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 
who fought in Pitzers  Woods on day 1 and 2. 

"Hello! I'm The Doctor."  
(Dr. Who) 

From: George Connell <georgeconnell at> 
To: GDG  <gettysburg at> 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 5:53 PM  
Subject: Re: GDG- Lost Cause and Inevitibility 

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes: 

If you google LC  you'll see that this is one of the things almost always 
cited. I think it's  wrong. 



On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:39 PM,  Dennis Lawrence <denlaw at> wrote: 

> Esteemed GDG  Member Contributes: 
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:  
>> I have long been bothered by the belief that anyone who maintains  that 
the South's defeat was inevitable as long as the Union retained the will  to 
fight is a  "Lost Causer!" 
>> I think this is  an utterly realistic assessment of the 'correlation of 
forces' and a great  example of why the South was nuts to risk war. 
>  Hello, 
>  I am not familiar with this definition of a  lost causer.  To me a lost 
causer is a person who tries to perpetuate the  myth that the war was not 
about slavery, but states rights, and the associated  ideas that go with that 
- War of Yankee aggression, Lincoln the tyrant, Black  Confederates, 
Confederate flag apologists,  etc. 
> Take  Care 
> Dennis 
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