GDG- Killing Lincoln
CWMHTours at aol.com
CWMHTours at aol.com
Sun Jan 15 08:30:23 CST 2012
"The Surratt woman"?
If you are talking about the Surratt Tavern it is quite shocking that you
would call a it a "traitor museum"?
And quite a stretch of fact, .... in fact.
It is a MD state owned museum operated by the Surratt Society (Online
_www.Surrattsociety.something_ (http://www.Surrattsociety.something) ) that
attempts to tell 2 stories.
The first is the role of S. Md. in the assassination, specifically one
place, Booth's first stop on his escape. The whole whole of S Md- the 4
counties were nearly 100% rebel.
Secondly, frequently to my dismay, a presentation of rural life in the
1860s. The docents go into the family rooms, the accommodations for
travelers stopping by the tavern, and other facets of existence at the time. They
go into how post offices work at the time. They take you into 2 dining
rooms. One for the family and one for travelers. They have a large kitchen
where they spend time talking about laundry and ironing clothes.
I think you make a completely ignorant accusation of what they do there.
And if you are worried about traitors... and treason, then by your
standard we should burn down the White House, the Capitol, and otherwise
eliminate our government and turn the population of the United States to be turned
over the Queen of England in oirder to pay for the treason of the Founding
Fathers.
You DO have to know that this nation was founded on treason to the Crown,
don't you?
Maybe you should let the bitterness go. ;-)
RE: Treason in the Civil War. About 1/3 of the nation committed what we
would consider treason. There were millions of traitors all over the
country.
You can't really still hold a grudge about that, can you? ;-)
One reason the massive dominant Lincoln Memorial sits by the Potomac is to
contain the inscription of Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address. Do you
know the primary reason why it is important?
The purpose of the speech was to lay out the plan for the RE-union of the
several states. It was a spirit of forgiving reconciliation. In it A.L.
uses the famous phrase "Malice towards none and charity for all".
He wanted welcome the Confs back into the Nation without bitterness and
recrimination.
Yet by "a traitor museum" you would indicate bitterness, recrimination and
malice.
Hey! The war is over. It ended about 150 years ago. We've
reconstructed. ;-)
The Northern gov't at the end of the war was faced with what to do with
millions of Americans who were traitors to the Union.
It was either put them all in jail or forgive them and move on.
We've moved on. Malice towards none. ;-)
Let the traitor thing go. Send them your book. All they do down there is
contribute to the story of the American Civil War and rural life in
southern America.
Let it go.
Move on. ;-)
I think the description "a traitor museum" is bizarre and indicates a
fantastic misconception of the facts.
If you haven't been to the museum yet come to DC and I will take you down
there. Then you can buy lunch at one of the best North Carolina barbecue
places you'll ever go to, Lefty's in Waldorf. My tourists have called it
the best BBQ they have ever had. They order extra BBQ sauce and take it
home.
Lefty's.... N.C. is divided into 2 states. One part has one kind of BBQ
sauce. The other has a different BBQ sauce. All in the state of N.C.
They bicker about it all the time. In the western part of the state they make
their BBQ out of ketchup. In the east they base it on vinegar. Lefty's
is vinegar. Damn good. Try the cole slaw and potato salad.
You should feel sorry for the people who live in the middle of N.C. If
they go to the wrong BBQ down there the other people call them traitors.
Damn! It's 9AM and now I am starving for Lefty's BBQ! I gotta go find
John Grim and go down there.
Damn! ;-)
Your Most Obedient Servant,
Peter
In a message dated 1/14/2012 11:50:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jlawrence at kc.rr.com writes:
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
I assume we are talking about the Surratt woman
----- Original Message -----
From: <CWMHTours at aol.com>
To: <gettysburg at arthes.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> " A traitor museum."
>
> I am mystified by that statement.
>
> What does it mean?
>
> Your Most Obedient Servant,
> Peter
>
>
> In a message dated 1/14/2012 11:34:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jlawrence at kc.rr.com writes:
>
> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Why would I give anything to a traitor museum?
>
> I would rather burn it. (The book, not the museum).
>
> Regards,
>
> Jack
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <CWMHTours at aol.com>
> To: <gettysburg at arthes.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>
>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>> You may get an ultimate benefit if you donated it to the Surratt
>> Society
>> in Clinton.
>>
>> The market price seems to be shockingly low but as a museum piece it
>> should be worth more than what you paid. Plus they would preserve it.
>> Which
>> would be better than a plastic bag.
>>
>> Have you been down there ? It is way cool.
>>
>> Your Most Obedient Servant,
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 1/14/2012 10:51:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> jlawrence at kc.rr.com writes:
>>
>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>> Oh ok.I have it in a sealed up sandwich bag.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> This book was already at the crumbly yellow stage when I got it.
>>
>> I bought it from an estate.
>>
>> I had a lot of Tarzan books like that. Yellow and crumbly.
>>
>> I worked all my life and, the last 30 years, bought books to read in
my
>> retirement. I retired last May and the books, I find out, are
>> worthless.
>>
>> My daughters gave me a Nook for Christmas and my wife gave me a Nexus
> 4G.
>> I
>> downloaded a Kindle to the phone and a Adobe pub to adapt the books to
>> each
>> application.
>> We are taking a month long cruise and, instaed of the usual twenty or
>> so
>> pounds of books, are taking a couple of 8 ounce devices that we can
> read
>> all
>> thebooks in the world on, history books and bodice rippers.
>> And all the newspapers in the world. Even on a bus in Arabia.
>>
>> So I have Samuael Morrisons complete history of the US Navy in WWII
and
>> it
>> is worthless.
>> Jack McDevitt's Hercules Text. Worthless.
>> Roosevelt's Japaenese-russian war Nobel Prize negotiations, worthless.
>>
>> And I love it.
>>
>> Never had so many had so much information available in history.
>>
>> Knowledge is no longer the privelege of the Ivory towewr crowd, nor
the
>> sole
>> domain of academia.
>> Anybody can, in seconds, find out what they want to know ib seconfds,
>> withpout traveling humdreds of miles and winnowing through non
> allergenic
>> moldy records. True, it is all not available yet to all, but it will
be
>> in
>> our lifetimes.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Burk" <jlb4tlb at yahoo.com>
>> To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>>
>>
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> The grade would tell you how pure the product is. Low quality plastic
>> will
>>> yellow paper pruducts over time.
>>>
>>>
>>> Namaste
>>>
>>> Jeff Burk
>>>
>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: Jack Lawrence <jlawrence at kc.rr.com>
>>>>To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:31 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>>>>
>>>>Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>>OK.
>>>>
>>>>I'll bite.
>>>>
>>>>What is grade?
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>
>>>>Jack
>>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Burk" <jlb4tlb at yahoo.com>
>>>>To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 8:28 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>>> Just downloaded the Baker book, thanks for the tip. Interesting in
>> that
>>>>> had I not read O'Reillly I might have never heard of this one.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have also paid good money for books now that can be downloaded
for
>>>>> free or a small fee. The old book always feels much better in my
> hands
>>>>> then my nook.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is your plastic archive grade? If not it should be. Mylar works
real
>>>>> well
>>>>>
>>>>> Namaste
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Burk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Jack Lawrence <jlawrence at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>> To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>>>> Bruce,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I did. I tried harder than you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read all this and more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I chose chose not to ape the marketing side of the house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FYI: have a copy of protagonist Lafayette C. Bakers book, "United
>>>>>> States Secret Service".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is one of those delghtfull books, reprinted in the 1890's,
with
>> old,
>>>>>> fragile yellow pages that the edges crumble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I paid 120.00 dollars for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep it in a plastic bag and have not opened it for these 12
> years,
>>>>>> after reading the Lincoln chapters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is available for less than two bucks now on Amazon, Kindle and
>> Nook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Damn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a great primary source, and certainly better than the
treacle
>> in
>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OTOH, anything that tunes someone into history is better than
>> nothing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I took the road less traveled, and it has made all the
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW: Was Booth really stopped from attacking lincoln at the
second
>>>>>> inaugaral Inaugaration, as portrayed in the book?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From EN Bookstores:
>>>>>> The products sold at Eastern National bookstores are a combination
> of
>>>>>> Eastern National-produced items and merchandise purchased through
>>>>>> outside vendors, including books, reproductions, apparel, and
>>>>>> collectibles. All products sold in Eastern National retail outlets
>> are
>>>>>> evaluated by National Park Service interpreters for historical
>>>>>> accuracy, quality, and relevance to park themes. Strict standards
> are
>>>>>> maintained to ensure we offer the finest quality products that
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> enhance visitors’ experiences. As a cooperating association,
>>>>>> Eastern
>>>>>> National sells only products that the National Park Service has
>>>>>> approved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reference: Eastern National
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Burk"
<jlb4tlb at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:37 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>>>>> The following is from the home page publishers web site.
>>>>>>> "New From Henry Holt
>>>>>>> Killing Lincoln
>>>>>>> The Shocking Assassination that Changed America Forever
>>>>>>> A riveting historical narrative of the heart-stopping events
>>>>>>> surrounding the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and the first
> work
>>>>>>> of history from mega-bestselling author Bill O'Reilly"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is from the publishes page promoting 'Killing Lincoln.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A riveting historical narrative of the heart-stopping events
>>>>>>> surrounding the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, and the first
> work
>>>>>>> of history from mega-bestselling author Bill O'Reilly
>>>>>>> The anchor of The O'Reilly Factor recounts one of the most
> dramatic
>>>>>>> stories in American history—how one gunshot changed the country
>>>>>>> forever. In the spring of 1865, the bloody saga of America's
Civil
>> War
>>>>>>> finally comes to an end after a series of increasingly harrowing
>>>>>>> battles. President Abraham Lincoln's generous terms for Robert
E.
>>>>>>> Lee's surrender are devised to fulfill Lincoln's dream of
healing
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> divided nation, with the former Confederates allowed to
> reintegrate
>>>>>>> into American society. But one man and his band of murderous
>>>>>>> accomplices, perhaps reaching into the highest ranks of the
U.S.
>>>>>>> government, are not appeased.
>>>>>>> In the midst of the patriotic celebrations in Washington D.C.,
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> Wilkes Booth—charismatic ladies' man and impenitent racist—
> murders
>>>>>>> Abraham Lincoln at Ford's Theatre. A furious manhunt ensues and
>> Booth
>>>>>>> immediately becomes the country's most wanted fugitive. Lafayette
> C.
>>>>>>> Baker, a smart but shifty New York detective and former Union
spy,
>>>>>>> unravels the string of clues leading to Booth, while federal
> forces
>>>>>>> track his accomplices. The thrilling chase ends in a fiery
>>>>>>> shootout
>>>>>>> and a series of court-ordered executions—including that of the
> first
>>>>>>> woman ever executed by the U.S. government, Mary Surratt.
>>>>>>> Featuring
>>>>>>> some of history's most remarkable figures, vivid detail, and
>>>>>>> page-turning action, Killing Lincoln is history that reads like a
>>>>>>> thriller. "
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jack didn't look very hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Namaste
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Burk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>>> From: Jack Lawrence <jlawrence at kc.rr.com>
>>>>>>>> To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 4:12 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Killing Lincoln
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>>>>>>>> At 02:04 PM 1/14/2012, you wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The correct term is "speculative popular history". Or
>> "Interprative
>>>>>>>>>> History". In the style of bodice rippers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is no such categories as the ones you suggest. There is
>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> bodice ripping in it. It is not a novel. It is popular
>>>>>>>>> history.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Obviously, you have not read the book. I have. I'm not
> sympathetic
>>
>>>>>>>>> to it, but that does not change what it is.
>>>>>>>> Hello.
>>>>>>>> We can discuss terms, but Holt, the publisher, does not list
this
>> as
>>>>>>>> a history book on its site.
>>>>>>>> Maybe I am looking for it wrong. The terms used aere samples
of
>>>>>>>> descriptions used for the book, including the publishers
site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one, even the publisher, seems to want to call it a history
>> book.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jack
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe its an iambic billameter poem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
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