GDG- skirmish line vs line of battle

keith mackenzie bluzdad at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 11 14:20:38 CST 2012


LOL
No , I'm NOT "The Doctor".
K.

"Hello! I'm The Doctor."
(Dr. Who)


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From: "CWMHTours at aol.com" <CWMHTours at aol.com>
To: gettysburg at arthes.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- skirmish line vs line of battle

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Damn!  Stupid computer.

Anyway, that's right.  I am old and not  smart.

Aren't you the Dr?

Well,  maybe if you can't make it Kerry can stop in for a  bit.

Think they make good chili in Australia?  What kinda  meat?

Your  Most Obedient Servant,
Peter  


In a message dated 1/11/2012 2:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
CTJoyce at spearwilderman.com writes:

Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
Keith,
The interesting thing is that there IS  still hardtack on one of the 
bodies... Maybe it was too rainsoaked to eat?  -----Original Message-----
From: gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com  [mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com] 
On Behalf Of keith mackenzie
Sent:  Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:45 PM
To: GDG
Subject: Re: GDG- skirmish  line vs line of battle

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
OK Peter,  you kind of lost me here. I'm Keith. Kerry is from Australia. 
I'm from Long  Island. Frassanito originally describes the square object on 
the blouse/coat  in the picture as possibly being the diamond insignia of the 
third corps. In  his second book, with the discovery of a new angle on the 
picture, he hedges  his bet a little, saying it could also be a piece of 
hardtack or a cartridge  box. I don't know how long a piece of loose hardtack 
would have survived  on that field. Not long, I'd wager.
I'll already be suffering on the 12. My  wife and I are spending the 
weekend in Montauk.
Some other time. I've never  been to D.C. and after your posts, am starting 
to think it an oversight  that should be corrected.
K.

"Hello! I'm The Doctor."
(Dr.  Who)


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From: "CWMHTours at aol.com"  <CWMHTours at aol.com>
To: gettysburg at arthes.com 
Sent: Wednesday,  January 11, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- skirmish line vs line of  battle

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
Kerry-

Your questions  RE: the uniforms are excellent.

As we know from the Rose farm, etc,  Rebs wearing Yank clothes  were common.

We have to view these pix  in B&W.  I don't know about  you but it makes it 
harder for  me to figger out what's going on.

W. F. makes no comments about any  kind of identifying  insignia, which if 
there were some would make a  difference.

Plus I am not convinced that whoever these soldiers were it  is  very 
possible they could have crossed and recrossed the field  many  times.

We also know, from W.F., that bodies bloat.  In  other  fotos you see pants 
pulled down to the knees when these bodies  were  dragged.  If the bodies 
have not been dragged it would  appear that burst  pants would stay around 
the 
waist level.  

I don't know about you but it does not seem that all the pants  are up 
around the waist. 

John Grim and I wanna see you and a whole  buncha GDG-ers down  with us on 
2/12/12.  Are you coming?  I will see that somehow  you suffer in some 
painful way if you  don't.  This will be way cool-  you'll get to eat chili 
with  
John.

Your  Most Obedient Servant,
Peter  


In a message dated 1/11/2012 2:00:33 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time,  
bluzdad at yahoo.com writes:

Esteemed  GDG Member  Contributes:
Good points. I'm not having a hard time picturing  it,  haveing just been 
there. Are we sure that those in the background  are  Union casualties? My 
eyes 
aren't what they used to be, and they  were never  that good. I'm not 
overjoyed with these new glasses  either, truth be told.  
K.

"Hello! I'm The  Doctor."
(Dr.  Who)


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From: Charles T.  Joyce  <CTJoyce at spearwilderman.com>
To: GDG  <gettysburg at arthes.com>  
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:39  PM
Subject: Re: GDG- skirmish  line vs line of battle

Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
According to  Hartwig's series, Major Biddle  of the 121st PA reported
that his regiment  received "a crushing fire"  from the 52d NC of
Pettigrew's Brigade, and lost  14 KIA on July 1 on  East McPherson Ridge.
The 20th NYSM, on the immediate  left, lost 24  KIA, most, again, in the
fight on the Ridge.

I would  submit  that description and those numbers are consistent with
what we see  in  these photographs.

Note also that 121st "changed front to the  left",  and it also appears
that the bodies in the far distance are  facing in that  direction.

-----Original  Message-----
From:  gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com
[mailto:gettysburg-bounces at arthes.com]  On  Behalf Of John Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:19  AM
To:  GDG
Subject: Re: GDG- skirmish line vs line of  battle

Esteemed GDG  Member Contributes:
Given the  concentration of the bodies, it could have  been shell also,
perhaps  among  stragglers.
Regards,
Jack

cameron2 at optimum.net  wrote:

>Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
><<  OK,  I  understood the principle, a little dim on the mechanics  but
both  explanations cannot fail to help achieve a greater  understanding.
Now, In  (both)you're considered opinion, are the  bodies in the "Harvest
of Death"  (HoD, for future ref) more likely  indicative of a line of
battle, or a  skirmish line? the spacing  between the bodies may not prove
anything, but  does it disprove  anything?  >>
>
>
>I'm inclined  to think  that the number and concentration of bodies is
more indicative of  casualties sustained by a heavily engaged line of
battle.  But  there  are so many unknowns that it's difficult to say with
any  certainty.
>
>
>Jim  Cameron
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