GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph

keith mackenzie bluzdad at yahoo.com
Fri Jan 6 13:54:33 CST 2012


Yeah, He is a "holding forth" kind of guy. And now that you mention it, I do recall his major beef was the reference/non reference issue. thanks for clearing that up. We'll have to ask him about it when we see him again. Bring a notebook. 
Happy New Year
K.

"Hello! I'm The Doctor."
(Dr. Who)


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From: William Baetz <wbaetz at mac.com>
To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph

Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:

You are correct Keith. I was at the Mine that evening, and as I recall, Bill spoke about both topics. Moreso about the destruction of the railroad cut however, and I think he talked for nearly an hour about that (I enjoyed every minute of that btw).

Regarding the harvest of death, I don't recall him giving any kind of broad overview of his issues with Scott Hartwig's theory. I think he spoke mainly about one issue, the timing and details of Gardner's trip to Gettysburg from Maryland, and specifically the fact that Hartwig made references to Bill's Journey in Time, and neglected to notice that many of those details had been corrected in his later book Early Photography at Gettysburg. I think Bill was peeved that Scott apparently never read or referenced his later work.

I have never been present for a detailed discussion about harvest of death by Frazz, but I did ask him once about 4 years ago about the proposed location of the Henry Spangler farm, and he replied that there were problems with that site. I didn't ask him to elaborate and he didn't offer any more detail at that time. It was last call at the Mine, and I think the bartender was not happy that I was asking Bill about the harvest of death at last call. :-)

Bill in Indy

On Jan 6, 2012, at 11:31 AM, keith mackenzie wrote:

> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> Thanks for weighing in Bill.
> 
> If memory serves me, and it usually doesn't, weren't you in the small crowd that talked to Frassanito last June? Did we discuss this at all, or was it the "destruction of the railroad cut"?
> "Hello! I'm The Doctor."
> (Dr. Who)
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> From: William Baetz <wbaetz at mac.com>
> To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph
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> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
> 
> Surprised this link has not been posted. Earl Coates published an article theorizing the location to be the Henry Spangler farm.
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> http://www.gdg.org/Gettysburg%20Magazine/coates.html
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> Bill in Indy
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> 
> On Jan 6, 2012, at 10:20 AM, cooke1863 at comcast.net wrote:
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>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
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>> 
>> The Spangler farm property which is a good candidate for the location of the Harvet of Death photos is between the Emmittsburg Road and West Confederate Avenue, across the r oad from the Klingle farm. The ground slopes down west of the ER and some of those slopes present a good argument for th e location of the bodies. That location, coupled with the fact that some of Gardner's other photos are taken close by on the Rose farm property, provides additional, if circumstantial, evidence that Gardner worked in this area, as opposed to on McPherson's R idge or in front of Culp's Hill.
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>> JC
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>> From: "keith mackenzie" <bluzdad at yahoo.com>
>> To: "GDG" <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 9:30:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph
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>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>> Charles: Which is located...where?
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>> 
>> "Hello! I'm The Doctor."
>> (Dr. Who)
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>> From: Charles T. Joyce <CTJoyce at spearwilderman.com>
>> To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 6, 2012 9:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph
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>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>> Nancy,
>> Actually I think it is the Henry Spangler Farm.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 9:02 AM, "Nancy Householder" <pipecreek1430 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> Which Spangler Farm are you referring to? There is more than one. The Abraham Spangler Farm, or the
>>> 
>>> George Spangler Farm?
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>>> Nancy Householder
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>>> From: keith mackenzie <bluzdad at yahoo.com>
>>> To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 7:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph
>>> 
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> Jim: OH yeah, so it's the Spangler Farm, and not the Rose Farm?
>>> K
>>> 
>>> "Hello! I'm The Doctor."
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>>> 
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>>> From: "cameron2 at optimum.net" <cameron2 at optimum.net>
>>> To: GDG <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2012 7:20 PM
>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Shead's Woods and the "Harvest of Death" photograph
>>> 
>>> Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
>>> A few months ago Wayne Wachsmuth and I got together on the field to compare both the Spangler's farm location on the southern end of the field with Scott Hartwig's proposed location on the first day's field.
>>> 
>>> We hit the Spangler farm area first.  Unfortunately, at the same time as such a  heavy rainstorm that that it was more like the Western Front than Gettysburg.  We honestly couldn't make out too much under those conditions, so I'd rate that part of the effort as inconclusive.  Although, it did impart a good understanding of how thw wounded could have drowned in the heavy rains after the battle.
>>> 
>>> Fortunately, the rain had let up by the time we got up to the first day's field.  I do have to say that in my purely layman's opinion, Scott's analysis seems to have a lot to recommend it, particularly in the view up across the Chambersburg Pike toward Sheads Woods.  There have been some changes ove time, to be sure, but a lot of it seems to fall into place.
>>> 
>>> OTOH, I'm told that Bill Frassanito has a list of several (a dozen of so, IIRC) specific points where Scott's analysis doesn't fit.  Which seems to agree with what he's said in the past that no matter how close any of the candidate locations looks, including the Spangler farm site, some specific detail or details end up ruling all of them out.  Now, that may well be, but I'd sure like to know the specifics of Frassanito's objections to Scott's theory.  Because if it isn't plausable - which it at least looks to be to me - I'd like to know exactly why it isn't.
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>>> Jim Cameron
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