GDG- Slavery in the South
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Fri Jan 6 11:26:14 CST 2012
You make good points.
Someone correct me if I am wrong but I am of the view that only a few per
cent of the white male Southernors owned even one slave and that of the
stereotypical picture we have of large plantations with dozens/hundreds of
slaves it was less than one per cent of the Southern population.
And to digress a bit, I think the gap between the enormously wealthy and
average people goes back to the American Revolution.
With the exceptions of such people as Samuel Adams, who I believe was a
pauper, nearly all those Founding Fathers meeting in Philly were the
ultra-rich, millionaires and billionaires. I have heard that Benjamin Franklin was
the richest man in American. Washington? He owned most what is today's
Arlington cnty across the rived from DC. Partly as compensation for his
military service he owned 10s of 1000s of acres he never even saw out in Ohio.
Thomas Jefferson? A rich dude. Patrick Hemry. A plantation owner.
John Hancock was reputed to be a smuggler. If you owned a buncha sailing
ships you were a rich dude.
On and on.
When the F Fathers came out with the Declaration and later the
Constitution I don't think they were quite sincere in their talk about Life Liberty,
and the Pursuit of happiness.
I don't think they wanted to give all that stuff to the Common Man. They
wanted it for themselves.
How did this make itself obvious? They didn't go around handing out equal
rights. They kept as much as they could.
You couldn't vote unless you were a white male who "owned property", thus
keeping that right out of the hands of the great unwashed.
You had to be 21.
Couldn't be a woman. despite Abigail Adams.
And they certainly weren't going to free any slaves with the
Constitution. Nor give Indians the right to vote in their own country.
You couldn't even make a vote for your own senator until, I think, the
I don't think the electoral college was put into place to "improve"
democracy but rather prevent it. If the elete didn't like an election they could
always send in their own electors to overturn the election. It has been
The elete has fought the great unwashed when it came to handing out rights
This continued into the Civil War.
But then there is the problem for the elete- How do you get the great
unwashed to do your bidding?
You tell them The Big Lie. Tell them that they have equal rights and that
everything in America is the best in the world (like our educational
system- we actually don't compete in the world). You repeat the Big Lie over
And that's what the plantation owners did with the Southern white
population. Manipulated them with propaganda like one Rebel can lick ten Yankees.
It is no accident that in the South the local militias tended to be more
active and prominent. Told them horror stories about freeing the slaves
which terrified them. Tell them that misogenation (How do you spell that?)
is right around the corner if the Yankees come down.
And this worked with many, as is obvious from the rush to volunteer at the
beginning at the war.
And it didn't work with everybody. Thus many months before the North did
it the South enacted the country's first draft. Many of the commons were
forced to fight. There was a lot of resentment on the part of the poorer
people that they had to leave to go fight while the wealthy planation owners
got to stay home to whip their slaves.
A complicated issue. That you had to have a draft showed a distinct lack
of commitment from the great unwashed.
That's what I say.,
Your Most Obedient Servant,
In a message dated 1/5/2012 8:19:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jgrim1941 at gmail.com writes:
Esteemed GDG Member Contributes:
0ne concept that I would like to throw out has seldom been touched and that
is"Why would the average southerner fight to support slavery when less than
one in four owned a slave and an even smaller percentage had plantations
with a considerable number of slaves".
0bviously people who owned many slaves and great plantations were looked on
in most communities as wealthy and successful and living a very indolent
lifestyle. The average southerner maintained his small farms with himself
and sons. A man with a lot of land was looked on as extremely successful.
If you owned a few horses or mules you were probably more successful
Therefore, if you could ever get a few slaves to help you work your farm
you would start to gain wealth and have a greater status in your community.
0wning slaves created status and wealth. In a day when only the rich went
to college owning a slave became the way to success. Believing the North
was going to destroy the only quick way to gaining status made many
southerners believe their way of life was being destroyed.........just my
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