GDG- Changes in Gettyburg Battlefield thru the years

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Yeah that would be cool, Heorge.
 
I grew up in a New England version of Mayberry in the 50s and  60s and 
every little town had a stutue.  In particular, I'll always  remember the statue 
in little watrner, N.H.
 
It's good we have those.  It piqued my interest as a  kid.
 
Your  Most Obedient Servant,
Peter  

 
In a message dated 1/2/2012 1:18:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
georgeconnell at me.com writes:

Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
Thank you Jack. I enjoyed your response--except for  unfortunate 'lost 
cause' slip. Didn't know Sulla also took on the Armenians.  

One of my future projects will be to go to every county seat in the  South 
and photograph the Confederate soldier. I'd like to find someone to do  the 
Northern ones at the same time. It would cool to put them all on a single  
website. 

Regards,

George

On Jan 2, 2012, at 12:36 PM,  Jack Lawrence <jlawrence at kc.rr.com> wrote:

> Esteemed GDG  Member Contributes:
> There should have been a lot more Confederate  period monuments.
> 
> There are several reasons why there are  not.
> 
> First, the northern veterans were closer to the field  than the southern 
veterans, which made it much more accessible.
>  Second, the south was a depressed are after the war while the north 
boomed.  The northern veterans prospered and were able to fund many more  
monuments.
> 
> Third, The Union Veterans controlled the parks and  set the rules. The 
rules were that your monument could be placed at its  farthest point of 
advance. The Union veterans had few problems with that  though, of course, some 
monuments like the
> 1st Minnesota located  themselves farther to the far to be on the 
electric RR line than there actual  position.
> The Confederate veterans made many claims as to their actual  positions, 
many on the far side of the Union positions. The Union was not  about to 
allow the south to claim positions that inferred that that they had  overrun 
their positions.
> 
> Refused the locations of their  choice, the southern units eschewed any 
monuments.
> 
> This last  reason is usually the reason often given, but I have noticed 
that at Shiloh,  Vicksburg, Chattanooga and  Stones River, Perryville et all, 
their are  far more Union monuments than Confederate monuments.
> 
> I think  the main reason was that there were that the south lost the war 
and the  monuments are inferred to be political statements made by a 
conqueror (nor was  the south alone. When Ephesus declared its independence from 
Rome, Sulla's  grandsons sacked the city when they took it back. On the road 
in the upper  city, there is a large bas relief of the two Sulla's on the 
road into town; a  monument to Rome and the conqueror's.Ii asked our guide if 
there were any  Ephesians monuments he laughed ((there are no Armenian 
monuments  either))).
> 
> So IMHO opinion, there are few period southern war  monuments outside of 
county squares because the south had little interest in  decorating northern 
victory parks.
> 
> In the late 19th early  20th century that changed. The next generation 
decided that the memory of  those who fought for their various states was 
worth supporting and the finest,  most wistful, dramatic funerary statuary in 
the country was erected along West  Confederate Avenue. But these were not 
erected by those who fought. They were  built by lost causers to memorialize 
the southern cause at it had evolved in  the intervening generation.
> 
> (In fairness, they were not  alone. The memorial at the Lincoln Monument 
was erected by those whom had  served under Lincoln the war leader, the 
Commander in Chief. It is full of the  desperate, violent fury that those 
determined to save the union felt. It is,  again IMHO, more violent and determined 
than the Grant Monument at the base of  the Capitol.
> 
> 70 miles away in DC, those who had been raised  on Lincoln the 
Emancipator built the Lincoln monument, in which the war is  dedicated to that 
emancipation.
> 
> Each side after the war  evolved it's own myth of what that war was all 
about. (of course, their  progeny all stormed the beaches together at 
Normandy and Iwo Jima.)
>  
> That concept evolves today. At Vicksburg, there is a Kansas Monument,  
erected during the 1960's centennial period. It is dedicated to Kansas  
soldiers who served there (as far as I can tell their contribution to the war  was 
to try and dig Grant's canal.)
> 
> The Maryland monument is  in the parking lot of the old VC, because that 
particular park super decided  that all future monuments were to go in that 
parking lot).
> 
>  And now we have a regimental statue erected solely because some group of 
 reenactors persuaded Trent Lott to use his pull and let them erect a 
monument.  Now who does that honor? The 11th Miss or 11th miss renenactors?
>  
> Monuments are proposed by some all the time at Gettysburg; one park  
historian once said  (I think sarcastically) that they should just  asphalt the 
field over and paint all their names on them.
> 
> So,  I agree that it would be nice if there were more southern monuments. 
But the  few they have are the best of the lot (except I have never, ever 
figured out  that soldiers and sailors thing).
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  Jack
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George  Connell" 
<georgeconnell at me.com>
> To: "GDG"  <gettysburg at arthes.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 10:38  AM
> Subject: Re: GDG- Changes in Gettyburg Battlefield thru the  years
> 
> 
>> Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
>> Should be a lot more Rebel monuments on the  battlefield. To paraphrase 
Pickett, I think the Confederates had something to  do with it.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>  George
>> 
>> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Jack Lawrence  <jlawrence at kc.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Esteemed GDG  Member Contributes:
>>> Trent Lott's 11  Mississippi.
>>> 
>>> Regads,
>>>  
>>> Jack
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:  "Peter Skillman" 
<pskillman at gmail.com>
>>> To: "GDG"  <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012  9:43 AM
>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Changes in Gettyburg Battlefield  thru the years
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Esteemed  GDG Member Contributes:
>>>> Jack,
>>>>  
>>>> I'm unfamiliar.  To which "Mississippi thing" are  you referring?
>>>> 
>>>> - Pete  S.
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2012, at 10:38 AM, Jack  Lawrence wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Esteemed GDG  Member Contributes:
>>>>> I lked the view from the National  tower. I did not like the 
waypoliticians allegedl manipulated the NPS and had  their own guy installed as 
Superintendant so that they could get the tower put  in.
>>>>> Nor do I like the way that they decitfully  manipulated the deal so 
that the promised NPDS share of tower was limited to  the part that lost 
money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But  what I really find repugnant is the way they payed loud music 
during funerals  at the National Cemetary.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Politicians aways have their way with the park, look at the 
Mississippi  thing.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Jack
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter  Skillman" 
<pskillman at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "GDG"  <gettysburg at arthes.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January  02, 2012 7:52 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: GDG- Changes in  Gettyburg Battlefield thru the years
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
>>>>>> There was also an observation tower  on Big Round Top - the 
foundations for it are still there, if I recall  correctly.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not to  mention the lovely "National Tower"!  Everyone LOVED that  
one!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -  Pete
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 30, 2011,  at 4:19 PM, Nancy Householder wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Esteemed GDG Member  Contributes:
>>>>>>> Here is a short list of some of  the changes made to the 
battlefield thru the  years:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> At one  time there were 5 observation towers.  Beside the current 
ones on Oak  Ridge, Culps Hill, and
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> West Confederate Ave, there was also one on  East Cemetery Hill, 
and on Cemetery Ridge, near  where
>>>>>>> the Cyclorama building is still  today.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> There was a trolley that ran thru the fields  and out to LRT.
>>>>>>> Out at LRT there was a sort of  amusement park with a carosel, and 
picnic pavilion and refreashment  stand.
>>>>>>> There was a railroad that ran through  the park, too.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> The fence around the Soldier's National  Cemetery, that came from 
Layfayette Park, in DC, across from  the
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> White  House, was first put up in Gettysburg on East Cemetery  Hill.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On the  field of PPT charge, besides Camp Colt, was a Civilian 
Conservation Corps camp  in the 1930's and
>>>>>>> then was turned into a POW  camp for German POW's during WWII.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> There was a Stuckey's Pecan Shoppe and  Souvenir Stand, and gas 
station at the intersection of the Emittsburg  Rd
>>>>>>> and the Millerstown  Rd.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> How about  the Peace Light Inn and tourist court out on the field 
in front of the Peace  Light Memorial?
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I've also seen pictures of a Refreashment  Stand and Souvenir 
shoppe on Oak Ridge.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Anyone remember a place called Fantasyland in  the 1960's?  I'm not 
sure where it was located, but I do remember going  there
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> as a  child.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Nancy  Householder
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